Adriano Costa, and Pablo León de la Barra, Guggenheim UBS MAP Curator, Latin America, talk about the genesis of their artistic practices in London, and discuss the artist’s installation Straight from the House of Trophies—Ouro Velho (2013). They highlight Costa’s alchemical transformation of found objects and fabric for personal use into “old gold.” The pair also both talk about the significance of gold in relation to religion, colonialism, and boom-and-bust economics in Brazil.