Episode #152: Filmed at their respective studios in 2006, longtime friends Judy Pfaff and Ursula von Rydingsvard discuss their experience collaborating in 1992 on a large sculpture titled "Zygmunt." Commissioned by Exit Art founders Jeanette Ingberman and Papo Colo, "Zygmunt" was an intersection of their ideas regarding weight and space and an opportunity for Pfaff and von Rydingsvard to learn from each other. Balancing intense planning with improvisational decision-making, Judy Pfaff creates exuberant, sprawling sculptures and installations that weave landscape, architecture, and synthetic color into a tense yet organic whole. A pioneer of installation art in the 1970s, Pfaff synthesizes sculpture, painting, and architecture into dynamic environments in which space seems to expand and collapse, fluctuating between two and three dimensions. Ursula von Rydingsvard builds towering cedar structures, creating an intricate network of individual beams and sensuous, puzzle-like surfaces. While abstract at its core, von Rydingsvard's work takes visual cues from the landscape, the human body, and utilitarian objects--such as the artists collection of household vessels--and demonstrates an interest in the point where the man-made meets nature. Learn more about Judy Pfaff: http://www.art21.org/artists/judy-pfaff Learn more about Ursula von Rydingsvard: http://www.art21.org/artists/ursula-von-rydingsvard CREDITS | Producer: Ian Forster, Wesley Miller & Nick Ravich. Interview: Susan Sollins. Camera: Joel Shapiro. Sound: Roger Phenix. Editor: Morgan Riles. Artwork Courtesy: Exit Art, Judy Pfaff & Ursula von Rydingsvard. Archival Photography Courtesy: Exit Art & James Hamilton. Special Thanks: Audrey Christensen & Andria Morales. Video: © 2012 Art21, Inc. All rights reserved.